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Would this be fair or right?

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It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Would this be fair or right?
Ok, so I'm thinking of a Lost character despite the excessive vulnerabilities of Asyncs, especially if you mostly play to just give them psy chi augmentations rather than "Reach out and XXXX someone" psi gamma stuff, and I noticed something: As I recall, a Remade biomorph costs at least 40,000$ or 60 CP whereas a futura costs 40 cp of 50,000$. Now, a sneaky thought comes to me in that I could start my Lost in a futura as I must under then rules, then trade it in for a remade and end up with a generally superior morph (Aftr I put some hair on it.) that's worth 20 more CP than I paid for the futura, and even end up with some cash from the tradein due to the minimum 10,000$ difference in the costs. I would also no longer have a rare or hard to replace morph. So, is this munchkinism, or just a fair use of the game world setting where futuras are considered collector's item morphs and remade are nowhere near as hard to find as they're "in production"?

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Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: Would this be fair or right?
It that must not be named wrote:
Ok, so I'm thinking of a Lost character despite the excessive vulnerabilities of Asyncs, especially if you mostly play to just give them psy chi augmentations rather than "Reach out and XXXX someone" psi gamma stuff, and I noticed something: As I recall, a Remade biomorph costs at least 40,000$ or 60 CP whereas a futura costs 40 cp of 50,000$. Now, a sneaky thought comes to me in that I could start my Lost in a futura as I must under then rules, then trade it in for a remade and end up with a generally superior morph (Aftr I put some hair on it.) that's worth 20 more CP than I paid for the futura, and even end up with some cash from the tradein due to the minimum 10,000$ difference in the costs. I would also no longer have a rare or hard to replace morph. So, is this munchkinism, or just a fair use of the game world setting where futuras are considered collector's item morphs and remade are nowhere near as hard to find as they're "in production"?
Munchkinism. For one thing, Futura morphs are hard to offload. People who know what it is immediately invoke horrible thoughts of the Lost Generation, so chances are that only collectors will want them. Collectors (knowing that its a limited market) have every incentive to force you to drop the price, since you are the one who wants the buyer. Even if you did find someone who was willing to sell it without dropping the price, you still have to pay the finder's fee, reducing the price a bit. Also note that prices in EP fluctuate, which is why they are given the way they are (with a descriptor and general value range, not a specific value). Remade start at 40,000 cred, so that's the [i]cheapest price for them[/i]... and its up to GM determination as to whether it'll cost you more (and it likely will, especially if you aren't an Ultimate).
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weavermount weavermount's picture
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To answer your question I think you're power gaming, based on your tone. Your not hurting anything and trying to stay in not just the letter of the law but the spirit, so whatever. That said I think your making that choice for the number and not because you already had the vision of your character as being totally mercenary about everything even his own body. As for Decivre's comments, he's not wrong about anything. He does presents a lot of viable extrapolation as fact thought. Who knows how many black budge psi-labs are out there and how badly they want Futuras. It could easily be a sellers market. Lastly though the thing to remember is that anyone who buys the body in likely interested in asyncs, meaning they are likely more interested in your ego than your morph. Just saying. If I was your GM I'd let you set up the deal realitively easily, but it would earn you a lot a exposure as well as cred.
Decivre Decivre's picture
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weavermount wrote:
To answer your question I think you're power gaming, based on your tone. Your not hurting anything and trying to stay in not just the letter of the law but the spirit, so whatever. That said I think your making that choice for the number and not because you already had the vision of your character as being totally mercenary about everything even his own body. As for Decivre's comments, he's not wrong about anything. He does presents a lot of viable extrapolation as fact thought. Who knows how many black budge psi-labs are out there and how badly they want Futuras. It could easily be a sellers market. Lastly though the thing to remember is that anyone who buys the body in likely interested in asyncs, meaning they are likely more interested in your ego than your morph. Just saying. If I was your GM I'd let you set up the deal realitively easily, but it would earn you a lot a exposure as well as cred.
I would argue that it's a buyer's market. The minute that word gets out that you have a Futura, chances are that similar rumors will spread that you're possibly one of the Lost, and therefore an async. People who want to sell a Futura are likely to want to do so discreetly, which puts control in the buyer's hands. Discretion is the reason that stolen goods are often sold for cheaper than store price, so unless you're willing to drop the price on your Futura under the minimum, you're looking at having problems. Even those black budget psi-labs who would be interested buyers would have more incentive for getting both the morph and ego together. Discreet brokers would be your best bet, but even they may possibly take a larger cut for such a morph.
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weavermount weavermount's picture
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Your possible is totally reasonable. If I tried to pull that the move in question and my GM told me that the situation looked like what you suggest, it wouldn't even cross my mind to object. I just don't think that interpretation is required, that the the OP should see what his table thinks because there isn't a RAW answer to what the supply and demand looks like