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What the max speed of an info?

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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
What the max speed of an info?
Among my playing in EP, I found a player that claimed that they can get in excess of 10 speed with an infomorph. They didnt tell me the eidolon they were using, if any.
Redroverone Redroverone's picture
From Transhuman
Max physical actions are 4. Max mental actions are 12. Some augmentations (multiple personalities, multitasking, mental speed) provide a character with extra mental actions each Action Phase. These implants may not be used together, nor may they be used in conjunction with other effects that provide extra mental actions (such as the multi-tasking psi sleight). The maximum number of extra mental actions any character may have is two per Action Phase. Anything that increases a character’s Speed also serves as a multiplier for extra mental actions. A character with the mental speed implant (receiving the maximum extra 2 mental actions per Action Phase) and a Speed of 4 (the maximum allowed) would have 3 actions each Action Phase (1 standard action, 2 mental only) for a total of 12 actions per Action Turn (4 standard, 8 mental only). What can mental actions be used for? Anything that doesn’t require physical activity. This primarily includes online mesh actions, perceptive skills (Investigation, Navigation, Perception, and sometimes Scrounging), Knowledge skills, remote control of a shell/drone, jamming, and use of psi sleights. Edited because you shouldn't type at that time of the morning if you're not going to sleep and give someone the wrong answer. Bleah.
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DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
The max speed is 4. So 4
The max speed is 4. So 4 action phases. You can get up to 2 extra mental actions per action phase, and standard actions can be used for mental actions. So you can have 3 mental actions per action phase if you wanted. This means that a character can have 12 mental actions a turn. That is the limit. I don't know what your player is thinking. The only way to get more actions is to fork or to use simulspace acceleration, and both brings in other rules and complications. Forking has decent rules, but acceleration unfortunately does not.
MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
Yea, they claimed 16, and I
Yea, they claimed 16, and I couldnt figure how to get past 12.
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It may be they're trying to
It may be they're trying to run an async with the Multitasking sleight which doesn't say it conflicts with the Mental Speed or Multitasking implant, but in the Transhuman rules under Speed and Mental Actions (Pg. 96) it says: "These implants may not be used together, nor may they be used in conjunction with other effects that provide extra mental actions (such as the multi-tasking psi sleight). The maximum number of extra mental actions any character may have is two per Action Phase." Add in the fact that asyncs can't use their sleights while in anything but a biological brain and they're really missing the rules. Might be worth checking with them though to see if that's their mistake. If those rules didn't exist though then Speed 4 * (1 Normal action + 3 Mental actions) would equal the 16 they're getting.
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Ignore this!
Edit: Double posted somehow.
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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
Danke
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Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
With a morph with Ego Sharing
With a morph with Ego Sharing it's possible to get up to 18 actions per action turn, but that requires forking or multiple egos.
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Trappedinwikipedia wrote:With
Trappedinwikipedia wrote:
With a morph with Ego Sharing it's possible to get up to 18 actions per action turn, but that requires forking or multiple egos.
I know we've now fully moved out of the realm of infomorphs, but mind shooting me how you got that either here or by PM? I'm curious what you did to get around the two extra mental actions per phase limit. With Ego Sharing the extra ego/fork doesn't seem to get any actions, only the primary ego gets one from having a fork in the back, similar to how the mechanics of the multi-tasking implant "gives" two forks but mechanically just gets two extra mental actions. But I could be reading it differently from you!
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Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
Ego sharing+6 egos+mental
Ego sharing+6 egos+mental speed/multitasking+parallel processor (optional). It only really counts as high speed as they're all from the same place. A server full of infomorphs is the simple (and superior) version. It came up in a thread about how the Fenrir is bad.
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You know, I'm gonna have to
You know, I'm gonna have to smack myself upside the head for this one. Mixed up the Ego Sharing robotic enhancement from Rimward with the Multiple Personalities bioware from core. That makes more sense.
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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
Fenir is awfully
Fenir is awfully disappointing.