Warp Factor

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Phlebotinum Phlebotinum's picture
Warp Factor

Assuming That the Factors actualy have FTL cabability idependant of the Pandora Gates how then dose it work?

Given Eclipse Phase's genre of Hard Space Opera that limits the available methods of FTL.
Now using Theoretical and Fringe Physics as a base what methods of FTL might be possible.

Negative Mass Drive : Factor particle physics/quantum mechanics is advanced enough that they can control the Higgs Field. Giving them control over an object's effective mass. They can bend Mass of Object until it enters a negative state mass state;the objects effective mass is now less than nothing. This circumvents the blooming of an objects mass to to infinity predicted by Einsteins famous equation E=Mc2. It all also deals with time dilation brought by nearing the speed of light because with in the region of massless space that the ship occupies Light Will Go Faster. Thus the craft never exceeds the speed of light because the speed of light raises with in the Mass Effecting field that it generates.

Hyperdrive: Heim theory is correct. And The Factors can exploit it's principles to create artificial gravity by converting electromagnetism into to gravitational force. This field of electrogravitic force is used to propel Factor ships with out the need for reaction mass. And when the propulsion field is precisely controlled the ship is shunted into a Higher Dimension(Hyperspcace) enabling interstellar travel in reasonable time frame by circumventing normal space geometry.

Warp Drive: Their is a way to fold space without having burn a literally astronomic amount of energy in the process. The Factor have this sufficiently Advance technology. No object can accelerate to a speed exceeding the speed of light, the fabric of space however can expand or contract at rate exceeding the of light speed. A Warp drive would warp space around the ship. Expanding space behind it and Compressing space before it. The ship would remain stationary and by propelled through cosmos by the distortions.

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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What about making wormholes? The gates show that it can be done with EP physics. So the ships just generate a wormhole in front of themselves and fly through.

Also check out
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/fasterlight.php#id--The_Canonical_List_of_StarDrives

My own favorite is the stutterwarp: the ship quantum tunnels a short distance. Again and again, moving the whole thing FTL.

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Phlebotinum Phlebotinum's picture
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Arenamontanus wrote:
What about making wormholes? The gates show that it can be done with EP physics. So the ships just generate a wormhole in front of themselves and fly through.

Also check out
http://www.projectrho.com/rocket/fasterlight.php#id--The_Canonical_List_of_StarDrives

My own favorite is the stutterwarp: the ship quantum tunnels a short distance. Again and again, moving the whole thing FTL.

I Love Atomic rocket, that site taught everything I know about the realities of space warfare i learned from that site.

And I did indeed think about the Factors being able to generate stable Wormholes.
but a it didn't feel right to me. Because the only known stable Wormholes are produced by the Pandora Gates;and those are supposed to be incomprehensibly advanced. And I really don't think that the Factor are that far up the Tech Tree yet.

My personnel favorite FTL drive is Andromeda's http://andromeda.wikia.com/wiki/Slipstream
Something just appeals to be about the notion of harnessing the interconnected nature of cosmos for travel.

Agatha's law: Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from science.

Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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The gate theory usually involves the small problem of requiring two previously built systems (beacons, at least, if not fully working gates), at least in the usual mindset.

One possibility you are not considering is that the Factors do not have, in fact, FTL. They might be adapted to live inside their ships, and lose so little energy between systems they can sustain their travel at sublight speeds, or they might keep part of their crew on sleeping pods.

Phlebotinum Phlebotinum's picture
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Xagroth wrote:
The gate theory usually involves the small problem of requiring two previously built systems (beacons, at least, if not fully working gates), at least in the usual mindset.

One possibility you are not considering is that the Factors do not have, in fact, FTL. They might be adapted to live inside their ships, and lose so little energy between systems they can sustain their travel at sublight speeds, or they might keep part of their crew on sleeping pods.

Yeah that is a possibility and if the Factors are revisited in latter books that is the most likely explanation;however it's not
A fun or an interesting one.

Traveling around the Cosmos at a snails pace relative to the distances involved is not fun.
Part of the basic premise of Eclipse Phase is that(Trans)Humanity doesn't know as much about how multivers works as they believe that they do. The Factors having a way to do something largely thought of as at best highly improbable and at worst utterly impossible; That is interesting, that makes for a good story. And In staying true to Eclipse Phase genre of Hard Space Opera I only listed FTL drives that have some if very rudimentary physics behind them.

More interesting than how the Factors travel is there intentions towards Transitivity. Personally I'd like the Factors to be "almost" exactly what they claim to be. The appointed representatives of a coalition of Alien civilizations who all just barely survived an extinction Level event. Because Aliens trying to enslave and or manipulate humanity has been done.

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Decivre Decivre's picture
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Xagroth wrote:
The gate theory usually involves the small problem of requiring two previously built systems (beacons, at least, if not fully working gates), at least in the usual mindset.

One possibility you are not considering is that the Factors do not have, in fact, FTL. They might be adapted to live inside their ships, and lose so little energy between systems they can sustain their travel at sublight speeds, or they might keep part of their crew on sleeping pods.

Or, as another hypothesis on the matter, the Factors DO have FTL and simply use obsolete ship designs to keep us from knowing their full technological capabilities.

That's how they work in my campaign, at least.

Transhumans will one day be the Luddites of the posthuman age.

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Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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Well, I said that for the sake of completion XD. Also, they are soo deeply pointed to be conning transhumanity, it is a possibility that had to be considered. You all, however, did not mix the two options: the Factors take a lot of (real) time to move, but almost none (subjective).

As for why are they using "low-tech" designs, well, my take on that are the following possibilities:

- Transhumanity con: the factors are an "Ozymandias" plot to try to unite Transhumanity (look up Watchmen, people). I aloready mentioned this in another thread, I think. Which faction (or individual intelligence) behind them remains a mystery.

- They are indeed using ships with old tech to account for the possibility of transhumanity taking command of those, or at least access to the databases. This suggests they are not much more advanced that transhumanity, at least in the fields required to protect their ships (meaning they might have FTL, but not much wartech)

- The ships look that way, but in truth they are much more advanced, at least enough to fool any sensor reading taken by transhumanity. Alternatively, they true ships might be covered with a cocoon of less advanced tech.

- The factors are scavengers, or galactic scum-equivalents, trying to get as much as they can from transhumanity before they are discovered. The alien contacts (like the Giza exoplanet) should have something to say in that regard, of course, unless there is no common ground to transmit the concept of "factor" to the alien chatter, or the pyramids edit that concept.