Stacking Enhanced Behavior (aka, building a total asshole)

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Stacking Enhanced Behavior (aka, building a total asshole)
What happens if you get Enhanced Behavior (Agression) from multiple sources (e.g., ego, morph, drug)? Do the levels stack? What if the total levels would exceed 3? Let's say you have an ego with Enhanced Behavior (Agression, Level 2) sleeved into a Fury morph and pumped up on MRDR? That's effectively six total levels of Aggression.
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I don't know.
I don't know. I think the safest bet is to use the most extreme version of all versions in the list. So in your example, the character would have Enhanced Behavior (Aggression) 2. No amount of extra traits will push you to the next. Another way to look at it, the trait at level 2 drives you to take the action; holding back requires a WIL check. Level 3 causes you psychological damage if you are restrained from taking the action. Level 3 is like a whole another level.
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DivineWrath wrote:I don't
DivineWrath wrote:
I don't know. I think the safest bet is to use the most extreme version of all versions in the list. So in your example, the character would have Enhanced Behavior (Aggression) 2. No amount of extra traits will push you to the next. Another way to look at it, the trait at level 2 drives you to take the action; holding back requires a WIL check. Level 3 causes you psychological damage if you are restrained from taking the action. Level 3 is like a whole another level.
Would you suggest a similar approach be taken for other traits? For example, if the ego has Resolve (Level 1) and the morph has Resolve (Level 2), would that ego sleeved in that morph benefit from Resolve (Level 2) or Resolve (Level 3)? What about Pain Tolerance? It specifies that it stacks, to a maximum of ignoring 3 wounds, but there are only two levels available. Normally, this means that the third level has to come from drugs, ware, psi, or a synthmorph shell, but could an ego have Pain Tolerance (Level 2) and benefit from a morph with the Pain Tolerance (Level 1) trait (not the synthmorph pain resistance) to get an effective 3 levels?
DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
I think ignoring wounds is
I think ignoring wounds is its own rules system. The ignore pain trait contributes to this. Medichines, some drugs, some wares, and probably some other things contribute to this. I reread some rules. p. 72
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Unless otherwise noted, traits may only be taken once. Trait modifiers stack with other modifiers, unless otherwise specified.
So from that the enhanced behavior traits shouldn't stack. You can only take a trait once. By that reasoning, Resolve (Level 1) and Resolve (Level 2) wouldn't stack. I'm feeling a little unsure right now so I might change my stance later. Some of these do seem like they should stack.
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I did also notice that Pain
I did also notice that the High Pain Tolerance quality is distinct from other sources of ignoring wounds (even though it does that too) when hit with the Pain weapon trait. A biomorph with Pain Tolerance (Level 1) is good at resisting the Pain weapon trait, and a biomorph with Pain Tolerance (Level 2) is immune. OTOH, an asynch with the High Pain Threshold sleight in a biomorph with medichines, and juiced-up on MRDR can ignore 3 wounds, but still has no special resistance to the Pain weapon trait. Synthmorphs of all types are, of course, totally immune to the Pain weapon trait.
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DivineWrath wrote:By that
DivineWrath wrote:
By that reasoning, Resolve (Level 1) and Resolve (Level 2) wouldn't stack.
If you decide the ego trait and the morph trait are different traits, you can stack resolve between the two of them. The only concern I would have with this is the potential to exceed 3 total levels, but perhaps that's not important.
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ubik2 wrote:DivineWrath wrote
ubik2 wrote:
DivineWrath wrote:
By that reasoning, Resolve (Level 1) and Resolve (Level 2) wouldn't stack.
If you decide the ego trait and the morph trait are different traits, you can stack resolve between the two of them. The only concern I would have with this is the potential to exceed 3 total levels, but perhaps that's not important.
If set that precedent, then it should apply to Enhanced Behavior too. This would, for level 2+, require multiple tests to avoid the behavior and would be a tedious experience. Far better I think to not have the same trait stack regardless of whether it comes from ego, morph, or somewhere else (e.g., drugs).