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Dice, dice baby.

One quick question: Will EP use 1 type of die or multiple?

See, my last 3 rpg systems used 1 type of die, either d6's in the case of gurps and eaba, or d10's in the case of cthulhutech.

I know just one type of die makes things convenient, but, dammit, we're gamers, we should all have various types of dice.

I know that EP uses a % system so I assume we'll need 2d10 to roll %, will it use other types of dice for damage and such?

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

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Only one

Just d10s. That's it.

Brian Cross
Posthuman Studios

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Ah well, one minor issue in

Ah well, one minor issue in what may hopefully be an otherwise sterling game. I can live with it...

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
Nice to hear; I far prefer

Nice to hear; I far prefer simple, unified, single die-type mechanics these days.

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I didn't ask for, need or

I didn't ask for, need or want your opinion, chapman. In the future stay out of threads I start just like you want me to stay out of the CT forums, even though most people there liked my threads.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

GregH GregH's picture
While on the subject, ran

While on the subject, ran across these the other day...

http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/games/745a/

...tad on the pricy side but cool-looking. Maybe Catalyst can hook up with Q Workshop to produce a "Transhumanist d10" or something...

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If you don't want certain

If you don't want certain people's opinions, don't post on an open forum. It's one of those "action/consequence" kind of things.

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Ok, this is a warning -- and

Ok, this is a warning -- and like I said before, you'll get only one. There was no need to post this and bother the rest of us. You don't like Chapman, we get it, and we don't care. It's an open forum, people can post in any thread they like--just keep it civil and on topic. If you don't want to converse with him, then don't. It's simple.

Rob Boyle :: Posthuman Studios

Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
Q Workshop do do some sci-fi

Q Workshop do do some sci-fi themed dice sets, but I wonder what would be the best theme/symbol to use for a EP-themed set? Is there anything that can succinctly get across the EP/transhuman theme in a single symbol?

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Decivre Decivre's picture
Use the eclipse logo of the

Use the eclipse logo of the game.

I think that would look awesome in place of the 0 on a 10-sided die.

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Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
I think my concern would be

I think my concern would be that because it's a crescent, it'd just end up looking like a crescent moon in the end, and a crescent moon doesn't really say, "Transhumanist sci-fi" to me. I guess they could stylize the corona a bit though to take it away from that possibility.

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Decivre Decivre's picture
It primarily depends on how

It primarily depends on how they do the markings. If they engrave them, then the logo is likely not a possibility, because engraved markings are highly innacurate and generally very broad. If it's simply painted on, I'm sure you could get a very accurate-looking eclipse logo on the die. Just remember that the largest difference between a solar eclipse and a very thin crescent moon are the solar flares. In the logo, they are the parts that seem thicker than the rest. It makes the whole thing look somewhat irregular, and very stylish.

If it has to be engraved... maybe an "EP"?

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Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
Yeah, Q-Workshop engrave

Yeah, Q-Workshop engrave their dice, unfortunately.

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Decivre Decivre's picture
Let me just throw out all the

Let me just throw out all the ideas that come to mind, then....

  • Helix, representing DNA and genetics
  • ∞, representing infinity and the infinite possibilities that transhumanism aspires to (might look like a sideways 8, so it could be confusing)
  • plus sign, representing how transhumanity is about becoming more than human
  • T, for transhuman?
That's about all I got right now.

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Of those, I think the helix

Of those, I think the helix is the best idea, and most distinctive.

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It was the first one to

It was the first one to spring to mind as well. I'd say the helix is probably one of the most commonly associated symbols, especially since genetics is considered to be the forefront technology of transhumanism.

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It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
crescent moon logo? Uh, no.

Careful about using a crescent moon as a symbol. Some islamic extremists think they own the crescent moon symbol and may react badly to it's use by others.

Seriously, this is a real possibility until the rest of the world gets enough courage to start standing up to these nuts instead of placating them.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

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... mmm maybe a stylized

... mmm maybe a stylized image of a Pandora Gate entrance? Something that could stand as a "ten" while also being unique to EP? This presumes (haven't seen one yet) that the gizmo looks like some manner of "tech ring", something tetrahedral (seems a common theme in depections of wormhole gates, or perhaps something else relatively simple to portray that says "it's not going to be the same on the other side..." Or perhaps a moon with a corona around it? Or would that look too much like "Traveller"?

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Hmm, for the corona-moon

Hmm, for the corona-moon idea, maybe a ring with a sunburst/starburst on part of it, vaguely like this: http://www.tibetmap.net/SolarEclipse/SolarEclipse2009Jul22-s.jpg It also has the benefit of being somewhat atomic in design then as well.

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GregH GregH's picture
Not bad... I like that, goes

Not bad... I like that, goes with the similar one on the cover...

Decivre Decivre's picture
Dude, no need for the

Dude, no need for the political rant. Besides, it's not a crescent moon they are trying to get on the die, but an eclipse logo.

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It should also be relatively

It should also be relatively easy to etch. Simply do a hollow circle with a starburst on one side. Instant eclipse.

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GregH GregH's picture
Well... the hollow sun with a

Well... the hollow sun with a sunburst thingy is probably better to represent an eclipse anyway (and the cultural issue aside, and in truth perhaps there COULD be one... This is a game and supposed to be fun and there is no need to cause a possible fuss... more importantly no need to cause a possible fuss for Catalyst and company who have graciously let us play a part in this. On a more practical matter (and again relating to EP funness). I've been toying with an attempt at a d10 and a d100 using ITC binary (the lettering you saw in "Sunward") and the crescent in Photoshop with an effort to make it look engraving worthy... Any way I try at the scale involved it looks like, err, poo. when I get back from Carlsbad I'll see what Collin's suggestion looks like. Hey Rob and the EP gang... If it looks cool enough do I have your blessing to run it past Q-Workshop and see if they can do something with it?

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Dude, can the "political

Dude, can the "political rant" crap. It's a statement of fact, like it or not. Some years ago a shoe maker made a line of sneakers with a "fire" shaped logo on them. Muslims complained because they claimed the fire logo resembled the arabic written word for allah, and the shoemaker was forced to take the line off the market after some stores carrying it were burned in protest.

So a logo that even resembles a cresent moon could cause trouble.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Decivre Decivre's picture
I call bullcrap. The

I call bullcrap. The offending Nike Airs were released in 1997, there were no shoe store bombings, and it got changed a year and a half later with very little noise outside of the initial courtroom battle. Nike and the Council on American-Islamic Relations came to a very amicable agreement where Nike would give them a percentage of the profits. Hell, Nike even built a few playgrounds.

If you're going to talk about some fear-incensing events, at least make them real events.

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RobBoyle RobBoyle's picture
Sure, run with it!

Sure, run with it!

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GregH GregH's picture
I'll give it a shot with a

I'll give it a shot with a logo like what Chapman suggested when I return from my neice's birthday... Gah! Anybody out there have a Mind Hack that deletes 5 days of "Thomas the Train" and "Dora the Explorer"? While on that note a biomod that handles 2 year old birthday fare?
At the moment I am without a site to post results... anyone else interested in seeing the results though?

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Ha! I wish...Try 1 year of

Ha! I wish...Try 1 year of "Little Einstiens", "Thomas the Train", and "Handy Manny". :) Let me know if you find that Mind Hack.

I'm interested in seeing the results, however I do no have a site for which to post it on.

GregH GregH's picture
We'll figure something, maybe

We'll figure something, maybe just an email will do. Your "Thomas" resilence is humbling... the theme song alone is more get-stuck-in-your-mind than "Born free"!

Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
Just Colin, please; no ones

Just Colin, please; no ones call me Chapman except ITMNBN and in that case it's very much the way surnames are used to address people when you scold them. I don't even get called "Mr. Chapman" by the kids I teach (they call me "Mr. C."). I've always felt that "Mr. Chapman" is my dad. ;)

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Oh, do I share that pain. My

Oh, do I share that pain. My daughter recently turned 3, so Thomas, LazyTown, Peppa Pig, Little Einsteins, Super Readers, aieee! Fortunately, she's a big fan of The Phantom, Flash Gordon, and interactive bedtime stories, so my sanity is just about retained. *twitch* Sorta...

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GregH GregH's picture
Oops! sorry about that

Oops! sorry about that Colin...

Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
No worries. Just wanted to

No worries. Just wanted to clarify it before it became a common means of naming me on these forums or something. :)

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Decivre Decivre's picture
Please, that's not suffering.

Please, that's not suffering. Try having a 14-year old niece who looooooooves Twilight and thinks that you will absolutely love it too. Then, when you've finished watching sappy vampire films and soap operas (Seriously? Can we watch one more episode of The Young and The Restless?) with that niece, you have to go outside and play with your 9-year old niece... who has the metabolism of Speedy Gonzalez.

At least I got one of them to like anime... now I just need to figure out something for the other one.

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It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Why the hell should nike have

Why the hell should nike have given them a red cent? Who says it was "offending"? If some guy sees a crescent moon dice in the window of a hobby shop on his way to the mosque and decides it's offending should catalyst have to give CAIRN a share of it's profits?

If you're going to do a dice with a crescent moon on it, or something that even looks like one, be prepared for trouble. Either be ready to cave in and pay tribute or stand up and say "We don't care if you're offended, we have a right to use that logo if we want and won't pay you a damn red cent for being "offended'!"

As to a symbol, how about a stylized phoenix rising? The phoenix representing the new life that now exists in the world.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

GregH GregH's picture
Sweet mother of soil...

Sweet mother of soil... TWILIGHT! (I'll give it points for showing some of my backyard... But true vampires do not sparkle!) You're a better man than I am Gunga Din!

It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Hey! How about this as a symbol?

Ever see those creationist icons done that look like a fish on 4 legs with the word "Darwin" in them? I saw a cute one that has a 4 legged fish holding a wrench in one foreleg with "Evolve" in it.

So, how about a 4 legged fish wearing a spacesuit logo? Just use the 4 legged fish with an outline around it with a backpack and a "fish bowl" type spacehelmet?

The basic idea is that as long aeons ago fish crawled out of the sea and slowly evolved and adapted to land, so now life is crawling up off the earth and evolving and adapting to live in a new environment.

I think it's a cute idea, have to draw one up...

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

GregH GregH's picture
I like. I liked the Phoenix

I like. I liked the Phoenix suggestion as well... if the metaplot to Eclipse Phase IS what I THINK it is we're going to be in deep doo-doo and have plenty of reasons to use the mental stress rules. Still, all considered, there's something cool about the notion of mankind enduring after the loss of so much... as the saying goes "if the skies cloud with arrows I'll learn to fight in the shade"... there ought to be something to symbolize that candle in the darkness...

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Actually I think a fish, in

Actually I think a fish, in 50's stylized spacesuit, with bubblehelmet, holding a raygun and with the word "RISE" in it works, as the word "Rise" symbolizes the idea of rising above what you are.

As to humanity endoring, remember what project 2501 told the major: "It's your effort to remain as you are that limits you."

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Decivre Decivre's picture
A crescent moon isn't a

A crescent moon isn't a symbol of Islam. You are thinking of the star and crescent, a specific symbol of a crescent moon with a star generally placed in between the points of the crescent. That said, this is the name of the corporate game. They gave out money as a PR move, which ensured better profits by appeasing their Muslim fanbase. It was a smart move, because not only does it make them look good, but acts as a tax break at the end of the year. Every corporation does it. They aren't suddenly ass-kissers for playing the game, and doing it well.

That said, the phoenix is generally a symbol of resurrection. It'd probably be best to make this a symbol of progress, or movement, or something along those lines. Then again, the phoenix could resemble the death of the natural human race and its rebirth as transhumanity....

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Sadly, I've only ever seen a

Sadly, I've only ever seen a single Darwin Fish on the back of a car, but Jesus Fish seem to have appeared in the last few years here and have spread dramatically. I can't drive anywhere without seeing a handful of 'em.

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My desire in not using a

My desire in not using a crescent moon isn't because of the loosely Islamic association, but because it's the kind of thing I tend to associate with Wicce and the other modern Earth Mother/Witchcraft/Magic is Real/Semi-New Age movements. All that moons, athame, dream catcher, etc. stuff and associated symbolism.

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I agree with you Greg. All

I agree with you Greg. All the other designs sounds too complicated, and may not turn out well on such a small surface as a d10. It they were a d6, then maybe, but d10's surface area is so much smaller. I think going with the "EP" in ITC Binary, splash a little color (maybe translucent), and make the "EP" sparkle like the Shadowrun die, and I think we'll all be happy.

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Once I get synched up with my

Once I get synched up with my local life (one doesn't see a niece's birthday out of state with impunity, nor without an email and phone message machine near crammed to bursting) I'll give it a whirl. I'm thinking of "EP", Colin's Eclipse which initial tests suggest may look a lot better than the original controversial (and too evocative of the results of a BIG meal a couple of hours later if you catch the drift...) partial eclipse crescent, and sort of a simplified Phoenix with the eclipse, the most complicated but worth a try simply because.
Fishy sounds cool too, gotta put him in somewhere... wonder if there is someone who does dice bags... THAT would be cool!

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Yh, cn s why mds

Yh, cn s why mds wld ht rlgs symbls. Prbbly cn't stnd th d tht thr mght b smthng hghr p thn thm...

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That was

That was completely uncalled for.

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I'm not going

I'm not going to be drawn into this. I'm just going to ask that you stop the constant sniping and personal attacks, thank you.

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If anyone's wondering what

If anyone's wondering what happened to the above post, I disemvowelled it. We're not gonna tolerate sniping attacks on these forums.

It that must not be named -- see the message i sent you.

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Rob, is there any process by

Rob, is there any process by which we can report posts like this? Also, Rob, please pop me an e-mail to or

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You, you can email me

You, you can email me through the Contact page on the site, or direct at sprite (at) catalystgamelabs (dot com)

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Thanks, Rob, much

Thanks, Rob, much appreciated.

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