A couple of questions

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ThinkWriteMute ThinkWriteMute's picture
A couple of questions

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There are Unmarked Traits, Morph Traits, and "Ego or Morph Traits". Are we to assume Unmarked Traits are Ego Traits?

If they are Ego Traits, why aren't there Morph sides to some of the Unmarked Traits (Blacklisted, First Impressions, etc)?

In the Infolife Background one disadvantage is having the Real World Naivete Negative Trait, but in the Real World Naivete Trait description the wording suggests this is a choice. Is it a choice?

If not, do the Infolifes and Re-In gain CP for it?

Shouldn't it note a cost of 0 for them?

Also, the wording suggests only they should get it. If they get it for free then why is there a cost associated with it?

Tearlach Tearlach's picture
Due to everyone knowing a

Due to everyone knowing a morph is just a morph, not a person it stands to reason that traits such as Blacklisted and First Impressions can not be given to a morph.

If you are awarded a positive or negative trait from your background or faction you have to take it and it neither costs nor awards points.

ThinkWriteMute ThinkWriteMute's picture
Fair enough, the wording on

Fair enough, the wording on the Naive seemed to imply choice in selection of the trait.

Also, for Blacklisted etc, Morphs are distinct (Thus the "Bland" trait), and knowledge of the Ego running the morph is not instant or guaranteed.

Tearlach Tearlach's picture
The bland trait, would that

The bland trait, would that be the innocous trait?

Yeah, sure it might help you stay undetected for some reason. But, since bodies are easy to swap and alot of bodies are identical (this is why there is an innocous trait) because of how they were grown/made, for any reputation system or judical system to work there needs to be surefire ways of identifying a person. In EP they exist in the form of nanotats, brainwave scans and digital code imprinted into your mind. These are the only ways to know you are you.

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"Unless otherwise noted,


"Unless otherwise noted, listed traits are ego traits." pg. 145

There aren't morph sides because they don't apply to morphs.

It is not a choice for infolife. It is a choice for reinstantiated.

Info do not gain, Re-In potentially can.

No, it should not.

A. It's not a "cost", it's a bonus. B. There is a bonus because some egos do not get it automatically, and may need to purchase it.

Cardul Cardul's picture
Actually, it gets a bit more

Actually, it gets a bit more complicated on the "digital code

imprinted into your mind" thing. Face, in EP you are, in effect,

nothing more then digital code imprinted onto a brain. Certainly

puts some interesting philosophical issues out there when you

start to think about it...

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No, I'm not saying Innocous

No, I'm not saying Innocous would keep you undetected (Though it might).

I'm saying that the existence of such a trait (and a lot of the setting text) suggests that Morphs are incredibly distinct, sort of like clothing and fashion, which means (especially in a world where an Ego can be concealed) Morphs might be used for targeting or (example) Wanted posters.

If they can be used in such a way (Describing a most likely unique Morph is better than not having any details at all) then shouldn't there also be Blacklisted type traits for the Morph?

Racial profiling doesn't suddenly stop happening In-The-Future(tm), and judging someone by features they possess (Such as the setting text describing those who aren't able to search the Mesh and talk at the time) wont die out.

Let me give a detailed example. A swarm morph swoops into a Jovian base and steals McGuffin-EX, the swarm morph has red stripes, green lenses, and (blah blah blah). Do you think the security forces are going to let Red-striped morphs through the gates without inspection?

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While I'll admit that it's a


While I'll admit that it's a good point, here's why blacklisted and similar do not apply for morphs. Blacklisted affects your reputation, which is an ego thing. There shouldn't be a way to sell your reputation, good or bad.

Tearlach Tearlach's picture
House-rule it then :)

House-rule it then :)

Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: No, I'm not saying Innocous

ThinkWriteMute wrote:
I'm saying that the existence of such a trait (and a lot of the setting text) suggests that Morphs are incredibly distinct, sort of like clothing and fashion, which means (especially in a world where an Ego can be concealed) Morphs might be used for targeting or (example) Wanted posters.

Not really. Many morphs are mass-produced, and distinction is generally provided by the person (as in they choose clothing, tattoos and whatnot in order to differentiate them from other people). Wanted posters could theoretically exist, but likely only in backwoods stations with little investigative technology accessible.

ThinkWriteMute wrote:
If they can be used in such a way (Describing a most likely unique Morph is better than not having any details at all) then shouldn't there also be Blacklisted type traits for the Morph?

Not really. It should be fairly easy to get a new morph after committing a crime, rendering any detection of a similar morph rather pointless. In fact, most major criminals would likely do just that, dumping off morphs as soon as a crime is finished.

Blacklisted is a reputation trait, and reputation is directly tied to ego. If you want some sense of reputation tied to the morph itself, the appropriate trait is Social Stigma.

ThinkWriteMute wrote:
Racial profiling doesn't suddenly stop happening In-The-Future(tm), and judging someone by features they possess (Such as the setting text describing those who aren't able to search the Mesh and talk at the time) wont die out.

Let me give a detailed example. A swarm morph swoops into a Jovian base and steals McGuffin-EX, the swarm morph has red stripes, green lenses, and (blah blah blah). Do you think the security forces are going to let Red-striped morphs through the gates without inspection?

Very possible, but it works in kind. The police would probably only do such inspections for a limited time, knowing that there is a small window of opportunity to catch the culprit in his morph before it is very likely that he jumped to another one. From there, the more likely option is ego-scanning people on the hunt for the actual criminal.

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