Back to Ground Zero - Or we are coming home...

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Kjetilkverndokken Kjetilkverndokken's picture
Back to Ground Zero - Or we are coming home...

Earth, will most likely be detailed in Sunwards, and it is probably a postapocalyptic hell beyond reason (the thought gives me warm shivers as a GM :) ).

So as we of now don't know anything of what the book says, what would you think would be the most likely course to colonize our own mother Earth again, is it even plausible?
Nano Swarms, robotic terrors, viral clouds, nuclear wastelands (mutants perhaps, or mutant morphs...), acidic weather etc etc, is probably what would await us when we go down there.
But if we set aside the costs and dangers, how would one do it, what kind of military might would one need, and where would the most likely place be to start?

Some place that was not very habited to begin with maybe, one would think that the horrors of the war (if one would call near genocide that) would have been kindest there, so much that the dangers of T.I.T.A.N horrors may not even be there. And from there slowly branch out - but there must be a plan, something that wold not let it be a battle of attrition to take the planet back.
Could some kin of modified E.M.P blast take out the nano and robotic horrors, maybe they are shielded (do not remember the core book saying anything on that matter) against it.

Contrary to many science fiction games, visiting Earth, may be the most exciting place to go...

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Heinous Tugboat Heinous Tugboat's picture
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Honestly, I think the most important problem of 'fixing' the Earth would be dealing with the exsurgent virus.

Kjetilkverndokken Kjetilkverndokken's picture
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Yes yes, we have the problems lined up, know its the time to try to find the answers on how to deal with the.
While many of the aforementioned things are the symptoms, the Exurgent Virus is one of the very core problems to deal with.

I would almost imagine that the first to "settle" back, would try to make some sort of shielded complexes, and have a few very isolated sites to experiment on, on the most extreme sides, have built a few new minor research complexes in orbit to try to figure it out.

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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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The problem with resettling is the sheer diversity of TITAN threats you'd be dealing with. You'd have to make something to deal with swarms, something to deal with traps, something to deal with viruses, something to deal with head-cutting robots, something to deal with armies of reapers, something to deal with human booby traps and automated defenses, so on and so forth, AND something to deal with all of the threats we haven't encountered and cataloged yet. The nice thing about 'invading' Earth from space is you have the gravity well on your side. But that's about your only advantage.

If I had to plan an attack? Most efficient would be to shield the Earth from all sunlight, then wait for any TITAN remnants to run out of other sources of fuel. That'll probably take a few hundred years. Plus keep an active eye and bomb any signs of construction. After that, 90% of the threats should be inert, and you'll have had time to hopefully invent a defense against the viruses. However, that doesn't sound like the sort of plan you'd be happy with, plus it would kill any humans (and ecosystems) still alive on Earth.

edit: Or alternatively, start from the deep sea. The TITANs focused on where people are, and mostly people aren't in the sea, especially the deep sea. Establish yourself there, maybe using the new tech being developed on Europa, and build your way out slowly back onto land.

Decivre Decivre's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
The problem with resettling is the sheer diversity of TITAN threats you'd be dealing with. You'd have to make something to deal with swarms, something to deal with traps, something to deal with viruses, something to deal with head-cutting robots, something to deal with armies of reapers, something to deal with human booby traps and automated defenses, so on and so forth, AND something to deal with all of the threats we haven't encountered and cataloged yet. The nice thing about 'invading' Earth from space is you have the gravity well on your side. But that's about your only advantage.

If I had to plan an attack? Most efficient would be to shield the Earth from all sunlight, then wait for any TITAN remnants to run out of other sources of fuel. That'll probably take a few hundred years. Plus keep an active eye and bomb any signs of construction. After that, 90% of the threats should be inert, and you'll have had time to hopefully invent a defense against the viruses. However, that doesn't sound like the sort of plan you'd be happy with, plus it would kill any humans (and ecosystems) still alive on Earth.

There's also the likelihood that the TITAN war machines on Earth have space capability... any attempt to shield the Earth from all sunlight might be met with a response of force from them. The true problem with reclaiming Earth is that there is still a significant technology gap between us and them. Until it is closed to a much greater degree, it is likely that the human race will never be able to successfully fight back.

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Demonseed Elite Demonseed Elite's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:

edit: Or alternatively, start from the deep sea. The TITANs focused on where people are, and mostly people aren't in the sea, especially the deep sea. Establish yourself there, maybe using the new tech being developed on Europa, and build your way out slowly back onto land.

Good thought! I like that idea.

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Byzantine Laser Byzantine Laser's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
The problem with resettling is the sheer diversity of TITAN threats you'd be dealing with. You'd have to make something to deal with swarms, something to deal with traps, something to deal with viruses, something to deal with head-cutting robots, something to deal with armies of reapers, something to deal with human booby traps and automated defenses, so on and so forth, AND something to deal with all of the threats we haven't encountered and cataloged yet.

And then if just one new strain of Exsurgent or a TITAN computer virus manages to sneak past your defenses, all of those varied solutions you came up with will turn on you...

That said, it sort of depends on just how coordinated all of the TITAN remnants down there are. If they're basically just locality-based roaming hordes, reclaiming enough land to start a colony shouldn't be too much harder than clearing out a formerly-infested space station, which seems to be tentatively within humanity's grasp right now, if horribly problematic and prone to huge backfires. But if there's still some planet-wide unifying intelligence behind them, any plan that doesn't start with 'bombard the planet to glass' is probably doomed to failure. I suspect things are closer to the former case, if just because it makes the setting more interesting if humanity stands some remote chance of reclaiming Earth. Really, if there were still a TITAN-level intelligence down there that honestly wanted to destroy transhumanity, I think we'd already be dead.

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Decivre wrote:

There's also the likelihood that the TITAN war machines on Earth have space capability... any attempt to shield the Earth from all sunlight might be met with a response of force from them. The true problem with reclaiming Earth is that there is still a significant technology gap between us and them. Until it is closed to a much greater degree, it is likely that the human race will never be able to successfully fight back.

Your totally right, that is why there are all the killsats around Earth right now, and they have VERY strict "Shoot first, Shoot again, ask the question, "is it still alive", then Shoot again" orders. We would almost be better off sending thousands of asteroids on collision courses with the Earth. Pound the crap out of everything down there (sorry remaining survivors but your now war heroes) and then start bio engineering when we know everything is dead.

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artemis2 artemis2's picture
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The "Matrix Sollution" of eliminate the solar energy is a really bad election againt enemies that know the nuclear power.

The recapture of the Earth is something posible with millions of casualities and the risk of extend the TITAN influence again. For ten million of people the solar sistem is really HUGE without the necesity of another genocide war.

Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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The Earth is dangerous crypt full of remnants of terrible weapons and malicious data entities, but some might be tempted by supposed safe spots that appear outside the immiediate range of TITAN made hordes.

For example:
Ascension Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_Island

Bouvet Island

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouvet_Island

And other territories largely isolated from centers of developed areas. Whether it is safe to assume their isolation will provide protection is another matter. Although they as said, some parties might be tempted to establish a research or scouting base in such location.

Also as to the danger of Earth environment-I think it is highly dangerous and in some areas lethal to 99%, but let us not overdue it. There are survivors down there, so you can live in certain territories. I would assume that weapons systems and experiments are very lethal to humans, but are now largely autonomous and automatic, and not directed by TITANs who are probably dormant or absent.

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