Attribute Maximums Confusion (Help the newbie, please)

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prototyper prototyper's picture
Attribute Maximums Confusion (Help the newbie, please)

Greetings Everyone,

I am sure this has been discussed before, but my searches didn't turn anything up. I apologize (profusely) in advance for the following question, but I am beginning my ramp-up to running EP, and I need some clarification.

In at least 2 sections of the book it states that (presuming the correct trait and/or morph) the attribute maximum is 40. However, in one section it seems to say that 40 is a hard cap and nothing may modify or raise it higher than that, while in another it appears to say that 40 is the most that it can be bought up to, and then it can be raised with morph bonuses and/or implants/bioware.

So my question is: which is it? Is 40 a hard, impassable cap, representing the farthest end of transhuman development, or is it a soft "natural" cap, which can be improved by proper selection of biology and technology coupled with (trans)human ingenuity? I would like to go "by the book" on this, and not have to make a house rule.

Could someone please help the poor, powerfully confused flat with the defective ecto?

Thank you.

Wintermaster Wintermaster's picture
Newcomer here too, but...

I cannot say for sure, here's what me and my group have agreed to for now though.

You can raise your attributes to a maximum of 30 naturally, but some of the morphs offer a hard cap of 40. This means you can received a total of 40 with a morph granting you +10 to an attribute. Though even with a lets say, Logic 30, your hard limit is 20 in a Flat (because the morph's limit is that).

Personally I think the total of 40 is what you should be able to buy into an attribute at most, and the morphs hard limit means how much you can actually benefit from such a score, even without a morph's bonus to any particular ability.

I'll wait to hear what the others have to say, but I think that the attribute maximum 40 is the highest it can become ultimately, and the morphs have a natural limit that means just how much of the attribute you can take advantage of.

Ego with Logic 30 and Menton still wont have 40 or even 31 attribute for Logic, since Menton's own Hard Limit is 30 for attributes.

"Yes I am new here. We were all new once, and I aim to learn fast, I only ask that you have a little patience when dealing with me. Thank you."

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
40 is the literal maximum. No

40 is the literal maximum. No aptitude can ever be raised above 40. Ever. At least using the current rules.

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Ego with Logic 30 and Menton still wont have 40 or even 31 attribute for Logic, since Menton's own Hard Limit is 30 for attributes.

Correct. Here is how it works, in easy to read format.

Your ego can never have an aptitude score greater than 30. This is a hard limit.

When sleeved into a morph, you add your ego score and any of the advantage modifiers that morph has. This may not go higher than that morphs aptitude maximum.

Any other bonus that adds to your aptitude scores increase that aptitude as normal. This may not go higher than 40. Ever. This includes things like psi bonuses, drugs, and implants.

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