The Future of the Cruise Ship

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I've been thinking about the future of the cruise ship industry. Obviously water borne cruise ships of earth are doomed and gone, but an Aerostat based cruise ship on Venus would seem to be possible since it could travel between the other aerostats for ports of call like modern day cruise ships. A space luxury cruise ship doesn't seem to have them same traction. It takes months to get between the various ports of call, it seems like your passengers would get bored and leave (presumably the same way they arrived, via egocasting). I could see it as just a vacation spot, but I bet there are stationary habitats that could do the whole egocasting vacation destination cheaper than an actual ship.

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I don't have my books handy, but doesn't Sunward mention something like this in the Venusian atmosphere? I believe it mentions blimps, as well as odd personal transportation like balloons.

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Oh but you could Egocast in and out. That's a great idea.

You could pay for a cruise round the whole Solar System with a custom holiday Morph on board and slip in and out whenever things got boring. It would be a great place for laying low, meeting interesting people and introducing intrigue.

Like the Blue Train or the Orient Express.

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I would be more inclined to consider that a dynamically relocating hotel than a cruise ship. It'll spend 300 days out of a year 'no where interesting', then for 60 days everyone will be jumping in to their familiar ship to visit whatever resort the ship happens to be parked by. For those 300 days, it wouldn't be anything more interesting than an overpriced spa.

As a customer, I could see it being valuable because I don't have to deal with the egocasting facilities of these locations. I can go in a secure body, with a place to go back to, and a liaison to deal with customs. However, I'd also be teed off that it's only available at a certain location for a short time, and that almost all of the time it's not available anywhere. For my money, it's probably cheaper just to egocast directly to a resort at that location, and I can do that when I want, rather than based on someone else's schedule.

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"Ohh look honey, the Twilight Princess is going to be crossing saturn in 1000 hours. The view of the rings should be spectacular and its been so long since we've taken a vacation. They have a great package deal going, we get a double occupancy cabin for 700 hours, all expenses included and a lease on a pair splicer morphs. Do you want to be the male or the female this time?"

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I can see cruises, be they permanently or from hab-hopping, being done. Most of todays cruise ships are "ocean, ocean everywhere" with nothing interesting to do, until you hit the next harbor and get to see Marseille or Pisa, so people ARE already spending their money/rep on a location doing nothing with no actual chance to leave (Helicopters excluded)

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There are VERY few cruise ships which are 'ocean ocean everywhere' for more than even 60% of the travel time. Most cruises start from port, cruise 1-2 days, then spend 3-7 days hitting carribean islands or points in Alaska. The pricey ones go from NYC across the atlantic (about 5 days), then spend 7-20 days hitting ports in Europe, before returning.

The difference is, an interplanetary cruise ship will be spending 99.9% of its time between ports. Really, who wants to spend 6 months 'en route' to spend 6 days on Mars, then 6 months back again? And that's between relatively close planets, at the ideal orbit! If you're talking about cruising out to the gas giants, you're looking at years between ports. Yuck!

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Water borne cruise ships of earth, may have a booming industry for once humans. Even sentient warmachines could need relaxation.

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Water borne cruise ships could exist at some holiday water themed habitats or emulated in various holiday virutual worlds.

Space cruisers could be euphemism for mobile morph factories or act as that as bonus, utilizing the long transit to grow biomorphs & construct synthmorphs. Capable of granting exploring passengers & customers perfectly configured physical morphs for the ships next destination.

If not ego-casting into space cruisers & using them as a hub, passengers could utilize various tricks to spend the waiting time: slowmo /accelerated simspace, sleeping booths, morph configuration, recreation & courses

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I would expect cruise ships to hang around interesting planet/satellite systems. So the Twilight Princess might visit places around Saturn, The Olympia is around Jupiter and the Huo Hsing visits habitats around Mars.

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Why take a physical cruse when it is essentially meaningless? Why not just take a "classic" cruise on Earth in XP? It would be cheaper, safer, and you wouldn't have to worry about resleeving.

Otherwise I would see cruises as luxury habs with sylph morphs in an exotic environment (like the Venusian Clouds, Saturn's Rings, or around any of the major comets in the Solar System). You need to make it worth while for people to resleeve onto the cruise in the first place.

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Why take a physical cruse when it is essentially meaningless? Why not just take a "classic" cruise on Earth in XP? It would be cheaper, safer, and you wouldn't have to worry about resleeving.

Otherwise I would see cruises as luxury habs with sylph morphs in an exotic environment (like the Venusian Clouds, Saturn's Rings, or around any of the major comets in the Solar System). You need to make it worth while for people to resleeve onto the cruise in the first place.

This is how I see it as well. To make it worthwhile, the cruise would have to offer something that makes it worth being physically present, be it a "once-in-a-lifetime" visit to a particular rare location or event, or perhaps if it becomes a symbol of status to take the cruise. (+rep just for being on the passenger manifest)

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Why? Perhaps its "smart"(Gucchi & stylish.)

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Why take a physical cruse when it is essentially meaningless? Why not just take a "classic" cruise on Earth in XP?.
Novelty. Why take an XP of a now dead planet when you can have something real? They will of course have stuff on board to make the trip worthwile, though i don't think its a "From Mars to Saturn" cruise, more something around the rings, visiting habs or in the clouds of venus as descibed. Our just orbiting around a damn neat moon/planet like Floston Paradise in Fifth Element.

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Another "value" is the need for recluse & self excile. EP lifestyle could be quite hectic & people may seek "time off" to get a breathing space & time to think. Sustaining the need for inefficient & disconnected cruising companies.

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Space cruisers could be euphemism for mobile morph factories or act as that as bonus, utilizing the long transit to grow biomorphs & construct synthmorphs. Capable of granting exploring passengers & customers perfectly configured physical morphs for the ships next destination.

This is an ingenious idea. This I could definitely see. The two years transit time is time for PR blasts and prepping 10,000 exclusive customized morphs for a six-month tour.

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This is how I see it as well. To make it worthwhile, the cruise would have to offer something that makes it worth being physically present, be it a "once-in-a-lifetime" visit to a particular rare location or event, or perhaps if it becomes a symbol of status to take the cruise. (+rep just for being on the passenger manifest)

I can see this being a big deal in Socialite cliques. The biggest and most exclusive parties would be on custom cruise ships that one the most connected can attend (and in return they also boost their rep and status in those cliques). It would be similar to modern yacht parties held by the rich and famous, only longer term.

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Now imagine that a virus starts running among the servant robots, making them kill passangers and crew...

the Sentinels might have to take reign of things and save the cruiseliner, or what's left of it.
Survival horror in a sinking starship

"This is the Titanese, the biggest cruise ship ever built, and the fastest. How do I know? because I, Max Capricorn, built it!"


Said Max could be infected by a certain Exsurgent virus previously shown in EP adventures *winks winks nudge nudge* or simply totally off his rocker

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Aren't scum barges basically cruise ships? Giant, floating parties, full of all the amenities, et cetera.

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Aren't scum barges basically cruise ships? Giant, floating parties, full of all the amenities, et cetera.

I always thought of Scum Barges as more run down, break at any moment kind of places. Wretched holes of scum and villainy and the like. Not the kind of place you want to take a nice relaxing cruise.

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Aren't scum barges basically cruise ships? Giant, floating parties, full of all the amenities, et cetera.

I always thought of Scum Barges as more run down, break at any moment kind of places. Wretched holes of scum and villainy and the like. Not the kind of place you want to take a nice relaxing cruise.

With a half-decent set of repair bots, repair swarms, and cleaning swarms, I don't see why a scum barge would be any worse than any other habitat.

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If I remember correctly, the core book says that scum barges run the gamut, with some being run-down, over-crowded, and short on resources while others are in good shape and have fairly abundant resources.

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Yeah I took Scum barges to be more like Gypsy colonies. Like said above, they run the gambit of really crappy to very good. No matter what condition the barge is in though, there is a certain culture that would be counter to a Cruise Ship that most Hyperelites and Socialites would find distasteful (like having to work for basic needs).

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Aren't the scum the people that go, "It's post-scarcity! We don't need to work anymore; time to party!"

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Not really. The Scum are those individuals who dont really fit into general society, the misfits and the strange, the anarchists of the Inner System and the criminals. All stuck together on pre-Fall haulers and colony ships that are only days away at any one time from imploding in a frenzy of violence and crime that only such individuals can perform.

So Space Gypsies. The Post-Scarcity chappers would probably be the Extropians or the Autonomists.

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Aren't the scum the people that go, "It's post-scarcity! We don't need to work anymore; time to party!"

Partially true. While basic needs are provided for, free of cost. Your expected to pull your wait for the betterment of the scum barge as a whole. This means if your a doctor by trade you expected to work int he hospital (and get the Rep bonus for it). People that don't work will still get a daily mean and a roof over their heads, but that daily mean will be a "high protean vitamin paste" and the roof will be that corner with the blanket. You need to work hard to get the private room and the "real" food (real in the sense that it is fabricated organic material to be just like the juicy stake you want).

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Aren't the scum the people that go, "It's post-scarcity! We don't need to work anymore; time to party!"

It basically depends on which end of the above-mentioned spectrum their scum barge is on. I'm sure there are a few scum barges out there with manageable populations and plenty of cornucopia machines where they live post-scarcity lifestyles with not much work required. Then there are others with too many mouths to feed, too few resources, and a definite need for the population to contribute in order to survive.

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[ People that don't work will still get a daily mean and a roof over their heads, but that daily mean will be a "high protean vitamin paste" and the roof will be that corner with the blanket.
Oh, many, many people would be just fine with that if it meant no work at all. Throw to them occasional drugs(they are dirty cheap to make in EP) and free sex and they will believe they are in paradise. Yeah, those scum barges can be very awful places to visit. Imagine a post-human crackhouse, except those people really don't need any work to get what they want. Sure-some of them probably are artistic and interesting places of people trying out new social models, art and free expression with hedonistic lifestyle. Others probably are ruined down barely habitable human-drone factories, where even the infomorphs from those living there wouldn't sell well on the market.

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Space cruisers could be euphemism for mobile morph factories or act as that as bonus, utilizing the long transit to grow biomorphs & construct synthmorphs. Capable of granting exploring passengers & customers perfectly configured physical morphs for the ships next destination.

I'm using this for Carnival of the Goat, so

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Another reason for the cruise ships to exist is q-bit transport. Since it will be docking at a number of locations along a route, it can be chartered to carry a q-bit reservoir between locations. It will also likely contract with secure communications companies in various ports to maintain q-bit reservoirs across the system. It isn't something that the ports of call can rely on, but all sorts of shady nonsense can be gotten up to while the cruise ship is in town. It also makes it an attractive location to egocast to while it's between ports, and you can securely communicate to anywhere on its network. Floating black markets could also take on some aspects of the cruise ship to give them some legitimacy at ports that would otherwise burn them on sight.

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Not really. The Scum are those individuals who dont really fit into general society, the misfits and the strange, the anarchists of the Inner System and the criminals. All stuck together on pre-Fall haulers and colony ships that are only days away at any one time from imploding in a frenzy of violence and crime that only such individuals can perform.

So Space Gypsies. The Post-Scarcity chappers would probably be the Extropians or the Autonomists.

I visualize a Scum barge flotilla as something of a cross between BSG's ragtag fleet, the seedier levels of Babylon 5, and the Quarian Migrant Fleet in Mass Effect. Some would be clean, some would be cesspools.

OTOH, I see an actual cruise ship as catering to the Creme de la creme of society. High security, ridiculous extravagance, etc.

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Speaking of Quarian, I've had an idea concerning the Scumborn background inspired by the Quarian

In a nutshell, it's a tradition that predates even the Fall saying that when a kid comes to age, he is egocast to an habitat, on planetside or even sent gatecrashing, and after a while returns to his native barge bringing back something worthwile and useful to the denizens of the barge.

What the youth do during his 'voyage' could be pretty much anything that isn't going against the meme of the Faction. Resisting with the Barsoomians, dealing and smuggling with the Extropians, or maybe learning mechanics or technical stuff aboard a cruiseliner
(how's that for a segue?)

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Yes the cruise ship/morph factory really does sound something the Carnival of the Goat would do, use & or want.

I imagine that many "cruiseships" are (Aldrin)cyclers. Implemented at other places & not only the mars/earth orbit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_cycler

As for the scum, I picture most of them in a poor state, and some of the scum colonies, sunwards actual prison/ghettos, the place where corporations exile bothersome & unwanted people.

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