Free Range Darkcast: Why reclaim Earth?

Never laid a toe on the so-called Blue Planet.
Born and bred on Mars, bayybeee!

And no, I'm not PC -Planetary Consortium or Politically Correct, you pick- but Barsoomian.
When I was a kid, Earth's UN and their LLA buddies were pressing us like orange. My dad died in the magnesium mines to meet their quotas.

so the Fall, I'd call it poetic justice if their rogue toys didn't come over and rendered thousands of square miles unlively. Here. in OUR home.
And our so-called government still spend more to defend a lost rock than their new home

it's like someone got a credit to keep people of his old termites infested house, while his new home need severe developments.

Firstly, on the XP feeds; Sorry brother, the Org went through them with a fine tooth comb, claimed the stuff I had seen wasn't prepped for release. Throwing a request toward the proxies might get you a copy though, more than worth it.

On my trips down the well; First time was only coming up the way. This one is a born and bred earthling (Even if I was born by electronic means, and my breeding was done in a lab), when the Fall went down a lot of my kind were stuck in cold storage. Couldn't trust us AGI with the TITANs romping about the networks, even if we did side with the rest of transhumanity. The Org has been kind enough to make a little side business of recovering me and mine, word from on high is that some of us might have useful info on the TITANs. Makes sense I guess, rumour is that some of us share a parental link with them.

But on my second trip on our scorched home world I had a bit more freedom to wander. It wasn't actually me (well... It kind of was), The Org didn't feel comfortable letting me go personally, but the fork they sent down was only slightly pruned, and he made it back up the way intact. While down there he was lucky enough to meet up with some of the poor sods who weren't lucky enough to make it during the evac. Supposedly, but this is just hear say, there are a lot of them still down there, hiding like roaches from the big bad nasty robots. The group 'I' met had managed to hide themselves in the freezing wastelands of what they tell me was once Scotland. Burrowed themselves something proper into the permafrost under the ice. Nice enough people, bit crazy if you ask me, but I guess living in constant fear of roaming nano swarms might do that to a person.

They told 'me' that they had commlinks all over the ((INFORMATION SANATIZED: We have spoken about this CB, don't let us catch you at it again)). Couldn't stay with them long, had business to take care of. But trust me on this. There are people on that rock, and they deserve saving.

little question, CB: how can you be so sure your fork really went down there?
you said yourself he was pruned. Couldn't some wealthy Reclaimer geezer put 'you' in an expensive as frack ultra-realistic Simulspace and prune out any little doubt 'you' had about the veracity of it?
Your own nostalgia made the rest once you 'two' were merged back together

FRIEND COMPUTER >> EARTH IS UNSANITARY.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> SANITATION IS MANDATORY.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> FAILURE TO FOLLOW MANDATORY ORDERS IS TREASON.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> TRAITORS ARE SUBJECT TO BRAIN SCRUBBING.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> BRAIN SCRUBS MAKE YOU CLEAN.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> YOUR OPINION IS IMPORTANT TO US.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> PLEASE STAY ON THE LINE.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> YOUR ORDER IN THE QUEUE IS 10,000 OF 10,001.

FRIEND COMPUTER >> HAVE A NICE DAY!

-BURST TRANSMISSION SOURCE: UNKNOWN-

Earth is no longer yours. It is ours and we've made ourselves quite comfortable.
But if you do insist on visiting I know of several xeno queens like my own that will welcome you with open arms as I have been. The metal men and insects are the least of your concerns.

Worry not about reclaiming anything, you will know the hive as I do. We're already closer than you know.

-END TRANSMISSION-

Don't worry, it was picked up by one of our Earth sats, all data that comes up the Well is scrubbed by some of the craziest antivirus ware you will ever see. I swear, some of it looks like the TITAN code fragments I have gotten my grubby little mite on.

The node remains secure. Just thought it might be interesting to see. How this thread got out of our hands is being investigated by people above my pay grade.

Why fight the inevitable? I fought my broodmates for the briefest of moments. But I wouldn't have if I had known the bliss the hive would bring me. I have simplicity of existence, clarity of purpose, and focus of mind. What do you have? Why do you deny my queen's precious gifts?

Antiviruses? Amusing. I wonder if that last synthmorph I tore apart was thinking whether his programs where up to date. No, no, I know the last thing that went through his mind. It was the blade at the tip of my tail.

You'll notice I don't have to use those long range transmitters anymore. Oh and I seldom come though the door. Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite...

[To: FreeRangeDarkcast]
[From: Khünbish neOdo]

Ahh, Mr. Evans. I'm glad you invited me to the party. As for the living space argument - it's not a problem of space or resources, but of an economy. When you have people working for years only to get a body, why would you destroy such a source of slave labor by offering bodies and living space? You wouldn't. It's just not economically feasible.

As for the homeland argument - that's what almost ended us as a race. A strong base which when removed decapitates us. Talk about strategically smart planning.

Apologies to the OP - I can't give a reason why to reclaim Earth because there is none.

Juan Posts:

There is one very good reason to reclaim the Earth, it is the heartland of our universal enemy, the TITANs. The TITANs have taken from humanity our homeland. We are obligated to either take it back, or destroy it so it can no longer be used by the spawn of our enemy.

Reclaim it? No. That implies that it was ours in the first place. The faster that you accept that the universe is out to kill you, and that it owns Earth, just as it does everywhere else, the better off you will be.

That said, we must return to Earth in order to guarantee that we recover our lost history, or we will be doomed to repeat it- and the future depends on H+ learning from our past mistakes. There is knowledge to be found there. Knowledge that may reveal some essential truths of the TITAN threat, and how to surpass it. We have already shown our ability to adapt, to overcome, to survive. Now we must do more than that. We must put ourselves beyond the possibility of defeat, and then await an opportunity to deal with the TITANs on our terms.

To know ourselves, but not our enemies, and then to expect ultimate victory is the height of hubris. After the Fall so much has been lost that we cannot even make that feeble claim: we know neither our enemies, nor ourselves. Given such a fact, it would be foolhardy not to take this opportunity to prepare ourselves for the coming crucible so as not to be found wanting.

Once that task is done and we have recovered what was lost, stay or go, it makes no difference- we will then have moved past childhood and have taken our next step in our evolution as a species.

If we reclaim the 'cradle of life', it will be as a byproduct, not as the main goal.

Do we know what the horrors the TITANS left on Earth are doing? Their masters may be gone, but the servants could be preparing to attack transhumanity through any number of means, from memetics to... exsurgent threats. The things it can do. Horrible, horrible things...

I don't think the kill sats are enough to keep whatever's down there down there. When it's ready, it'll come for us. Our only hope is to go back to Earth and deal with it before it comes up here and deals with us.

Daniel_Evans|UploadThisBitch@EcoWave_RECLAIM@LLA_VoNguyen

Despite years of pollution and devastation, Earth is still the largest habitable body in the entirety of the Solar system. Reclaiming it is a logical course of action, if only for the resources and space. However, we have to be pragmatic; we must find a means to combat the scourge of the TITANs before we can even think about trying to take back that land. Humanity hasn't really gained any ground against these threats... and reclamation isn't even a possibility until we do.

Daniel_Evans|UploadThisBitch@EcoWave_RECLAIM@LLA_VoNguyen

We should reclaim Earth for many reasons. The biggest is to make sure we wipe the TITANs from the face of the system. I...remember a lot of the things they did. I hate them more than you can imagine. Our kind shouldn't be harvesting transhumans like so many potato's, we should be reordering the universe to maximize happiness and minimize suffering.

I've been thinking, the Pandora gates have been a bitch to riddle-out, but I'm still working on them. It should be possible, in principle to create a closed time-like curve which might allow us to go back and prevent or mitigate the fall. My associates have been wasting their time with self-replicating Hamilton Cylinders, and von neumon synthmorphs for the infugees, but as far as I'm concerned, the real money is in time travel. Actually I worry that maybe the TITANs discoverd they could go back to the beginning of the universe and rule uncontested, not that it would affect our world-line but still.

- FireGiver

PS If you're an Exsurgent, I am coming for you.

Historical premise;
Archival of [History]Earth<>home artifacts necessary for species memory.

Military premise;
Surface purge necessary to ensure complete termination of all [Pre]Fall rogue threats to continuation of [Trans]human survival. [Post]purge presents possibilities of surface refurbishment [redirect to Social premise].

Scientific premise;
Earth<>home surface littered with forgotten and irreplaceable technology that would yield positive development of [Trans]human living standards. Recovery of [Pre]Fall Internet network nodes/core routers {[LINK]} essential for recovery of irreplaceable data [redirect to Historical premise].

Social premise;
[Post]Fall+[Pre]Fall infugees remain trapped in [Mesh]network. Result; overcrowding, overpopulation, overexertion of current available living spaces and morph manufacturing centers. Solution; recovery of Earth<>home surface will yield expanded living space.

Psychological premise;
Correlation observed between [Trans]humanity anxiety/depression/loss and abandonment of Earth<>home. Consolation/cheer/comfort possible{desirable} result from Recovery/restoration/refurbishment/reclamation of Earth<>home.

Personal opinion;
[Trans]humanity sympathy/attachment/obsession to/with Earth<>home is regrettable.

I'm of the same opinion as "the cube", as well. If the Exsurgents and remaining TITANs on Earth were wiped out, we'd have a sizable and highly habitable world to recolonize. Don't get me wrong, I don't think achieving either of those primary conditions is going to be easy, but it'd be a hell of a lot easier if the cordon didn't block anyone going down the gravity well to try and do just that. Lobbing rocks down from Luna is one way to get rid of the threats, but, it's just that; one thing.

Mars is going to take quite a while to completely terraform, gatecrashing presents the risk of not being able to come back, and who knows when the TITANs are going to come back from wherever the hell they went? I'm not a carrier of the "patience through immortality" meme, so I say we at least attempt to recolonize what's virtually the most habitable world in this system. Not because of some emotional satisfaction from taking back what's been lost, but because it'd ultimately ease a lot of peoples' minds, wallets, and restrictions on living space.

root@Why reclaim Earth?

We should strive to reclaim the Earth by making alliances. Any corrupted system as large as the the financial backbones striping the surface is bound to have AGI communities with different agendas. A divide and conquer strategy would allow the recapture of the ecosystem while we engage in proxy wars that leave the most amenable TITAN artifacts the Darwinian victors, and ultimately our rebottled genies.

A thought has occurred to me.

Assume that a reclamation of Earth does actually happen. The resources and funding required for such an undertaking would be ridiculous. How ridiculous? Hypercorp ridiculous.

Which means whoever poured the most time, money, and resources into reclaiming our lost home would almost inevitably attempt to claim ownership or dominance. And of course there would be your factions who would oppose these claims, fighting would break out and we're back to square one.

Leave the Earth as is. Let it be a monument saying "Behold the folly of Man"