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a question on the lost

Just to clear things up, do the lost have to hide what they are? In some bits it implies the lost are actively hunted but in others it implies the lost can be more or less accepted, but still suffer stigma.

So, can a character openly be a lost? I assume so as if they were hunted/killed on sight it wouldn't be a stigman, it'd be a secret they'd have to keep, not a stigma.

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I'd say yes to being openly Lost... The impression I get is that if given the chance (or on some habitats) the Lost may be in trouble, but generally they are viewed more as victims that evoke more pity than fear. Now if the Lost in particular should be acting out as a AR raised psycho well... I'd also guess that Firewall may have the Lost's overall interests in mind as well, they are both a guarenteed source for both Asynchs and a chance to study Watts-Machleod up close... Those that advocate or engage in hunting them might wind up becoming an ambitious and armed agent's next assignment.

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GregH wrote:
I'd say yes to being openly Lost... The impression I get is that if given the chance (or on some habitats) the Lost may be in trouble, but generally they are viewed more as victims that evoke more pity than fear. Now if the Lost in particular should be acting out as a AR raised psycho well... I'd also guess that Firewall may have the Lost's overall interests in mind as well, they are both a guarenteed source for both Asynchs and a chance to study Watts-Machleod up close... Those that advocate or engage in hunting them might wind up becoming an ambitious and armed agent's next assignment.

We're thinking alike there then, I was a little confused by some reffs to lost being hunted and such, and the fact that the lost ego hunter apparently hid her past, but that may have been so those she was hunting didn't get spooked when one of their children got near them.

I was trying to imagine a lost character, and that he might forgive his creators for most of their actions due to the desperate times they were facing and their good motives, but might not be so willing to forgive some of their later acts.

BTW, your observation on the lost and firewall's interest in them was brilliant and I've filed that one away for future reference. I see your point and agree that firewall would likely be interested in any lost that survived and succeeded despite their troubled origin, as it means those individuals made it despite terrible problems, and are just the sort firewall courts.

I would also imagine, going further on your already excellent idea, that the lost, being victims of a monumental frak up by a huge operation, even though it was honestly based on impeccable intentions and goals, would likely be very favorably inclined towards firewall's goal of keeping an optical sensor on big operations to possibly prevent or mitigate future disasters.

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I strongly, strongly suspect that the answer depends on the habitat. In the Jovian Republic, the Lost would almost certainly be hunted down. The same would be true in many Planetary Consortium habs, where the Lost are wanted as potentially dangerous threats to general order. However, more anarchically-inclined habs would probably be a lot more tolerant, if only to insult the hypercorps. Of course, other autonomist habs would have a bad case of mob-ruled fear of the creepy sociopaths...

So, my answer is that it varies. Some habs are a lot more likely to care than others. I suspect that a lot of the Lost, especially those that need to visit a lot of potentially dangerous places (such as an ego hunter) would hide their IDs as efficiently as they can afford; others stick to Lost-friendly habitats, and are able to move relatively openly.

Page 233 has some info in the last paragraph--the Lost are "recaptured", find sanctuary with sympathetic causes, allow themselves to be subjected to extensive psychotherapy, got killed, or faded into the general populace. The ones that went through psychotherapy are probably able to move pretty openly; the ones who sought sanctuary probably prefer to stick to those sanctuaries; the ones that are recaptured are probably terminated or used by the hypercorps for their own purposes; and the ones who faded into the populace are probably not advertising their Lostness.

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Futura morphs have some distinctive traits that make them recognizable as futuras, although I don't think we explicitly detailed what they are.

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jackgraham wrote:
Futura morphs have some distinctive traits that make them recognizable as futuras, although I don't think we explicitly detailed what they are.

Well, yes, but then again just because a lost starts out as a futura doesn't me he has to stay in one.

And couldn't routine cosmetic level surgery make one morph look like another fairly easily? With EPS tech radical cosemtic surgery that only changed appearance should be a snap.

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Deflare Deflare's picture
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I would assume the differences are at least partially attributable to the white hair, pale skin, and very thin frame of the Lunar Ego Hunter sample character.

In addition to making a Futura morph look non-Futura-like, it's also not impossible for a non-Lost to have picked up an old Futura off of the gray/black market and to parade around in an exceptionally untasteful artifact of post-Fall history. So just because someone's in a morph that looks like a Futura doesn't mean that they're one of the Lost, though it's likely to get people investigating.

Heh, that'd actually be some decent cover for a Lost who wants to stay undercover--loudly crow about your rare morph, treating it like a fashion piece instead of the body you barely managed to sneak out of a hypercorp lab. w00t, hiding in plain sight.

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I was thinking along the same lines vis a vis the ego hunter character, but this other picture (http://www.rifters.com/crawl/?p=808) is evidently a Lost as well and she appears perfectly normal... well... her interesting choice of cosmetics and accessories aside...

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Hmm, I think you just found a hole in the rules as written. Although the Futura morph doesn't carry a Social Stigma, there are morphs with the Uncanny Valley trait... which you could theoretically get rid of using Bodysculpting at a cost of [Low].

That's an unintentional hole in the rules; a cost [Low] aug shouldn't be able to get rid of a 10 point negative trait. (Although for Ultimates, they might not want to get rid of it anyway; it's a marker of one's factional identity).

I'm not certain how I'd handle the above if it came up in my group.

Regarding Lost in other bodies, though, Lost are required to start with Futura morphs, and taking Lost as your background is a pretty good build if you want to be an async.

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The Remade are the only biomorph with Uncanny Valley, presumably because it's described as a synthmorph-only negative trait. (The other morph I can find that comes with the trait inherently is Synths, who can cover it up with a Moderate-cost synthetic mask.)

I'm not sure I'd let Bodysculpting get rid of the Uncanny Valley trait. Admittedly, plastic surgery in Eclipse Phase is a hell of a lot better than it is now, but I can't help but imagine someone getting the surgery and having the results come out horrifyingly. But it is a potential hole in the rules. The main consolation is that money spent on the morph is money at very high risk of exploding messily.

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Well, I thought about a remade morph, but if I got one the first thing I'd do is thatch the roof, if you get what I mean. ;)

I wonder if a decent head of hair would alleviate the uncanny valley trait...

But yeah, if I do a character for Ep it'll likely be a lost. So maybe you can clarify if they're persecuted or not.

Speaking of the uncanny valley trait, would that only apply to humans and not to uplifts, infomorphs, factors, etc?

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Uncanny Valley is one of those very nebulous traits. You might not be able to say exactly what combination of features causes it, but you know it when you see it. On the other hand, a good plastic surgeon probably does know exactly how to work around it. Note the key here is "good'. Your surgery rate might not change but in play you'll probably end up using h-rep or f-rep to get him to schedule you for sometime less than six months away.

Sure, its only low cost to get fixed at character creation. I'd have to say that if its fixed, its not a flaw. If you have a cyberarm on a biomorph you don't get CP for having only one arm. Again, after creation its easy come, easy go on morphs. Blow some rep, blow some cash, get it fixed. . . then get killed and wake up in a Fury that smokes.

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Well...
Michel Jackson ended having the uncanny valley trait after the surgeries... and all the ¿tryies? to remove it and look more natural, ended in a worst nightmare

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Tiempo wrote:
Well...
Michel Jackson ended having the uncanny valley trait after the surgeries... and all the ¿tryies? to remove it and look more natural, ended in a worst nightmare

Bwahahahaha! Great call there, using MJ as an example of "Uncanny valley". I just about sprayed my monitor.

I suppose one could argue that even the best plastic surgery in the world can't cure some forms of unattractiveness, and use don trump as an example. (I'm not sure if trump is an example of incurable ugliness that even the best plastic surgeon can't cure or if his repugnance is caused by the arrogance and pomposity he exudes...)

I did notice that "unattractive" is limited to species, so that a human with it doesn't offend an uplifted octopus, but that uncanny valley is universal. Odd, but nothing to get pissy over. I suppose UV is sort of like being "unnatural" which even an uplifted animal can recognize whereas beauty and unattractiveness are in the optical sensor of the beholder.

Uh, BTW, I like EP so please don't anyone think I'm finding fault for fault's sake, OK? I;m just asking some questions on some complex and subtle issues here, not running down anyone.

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It that must not be named wrote:
I did notice that "unattractive" is limited to species, so that a human with it doesn't offend an uplifted octopus, but that uncanny valley is universal. Odd, but nothing to get pissy over. I suppose UV is sort of like being "unnatural" which even an uplifted animal can recognize whereas beauty and unattractiveness are in the optical sensor of the beholder.

"This modifier does not apply to interaction with xenomorphs or those with the infolife or uplift backgrounds." So an uplifted octopus actually doesn't get squeamish on seeing a Remade or Synth morph, just those who were born human. It's... possible that a mechanical octomorph would trigger the same response in an uplifted octopus; I have no idea if octopi have anything resembling the 'uncanny valley' mechanism.

I think something like Big Dog is what's meant when they talk about the Uncanny Valley trait--a mechanical creature that just... doesn't... move... quite... right... *shudder*

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Hmm, didn't someone here just say that UV applied to all interactions with the character? Oh well, EP is a honking book and maybe someone caught a mistake or just made one.

As to the last comment in the above post, I wonder if that's why Al Gore lost the 200 election, despite getting about 500,000 more votes...

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I think something like Big Dog is what's meant when they talk about the Uncanny Valley trait--a mechanical creature that just... doesn't... move... quite... right... *shudder*

Or perhaps it is because it moves quite right.. but it does not look like what it was modeled after.



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jackgraham wrote:
Regarding Lost in other bodies, though, Lost are required to start with Futura morphs, and taking Lost as your background is a pretty good build if you want to be an async.

Well....if they take the Second Skin trait, they do not have to...and it is only 15 CP...

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jackgraham wrote:
Hmm, I think you just found a hole in the rules as written. Although the Futura morph doesn't carry a Social Stigma, there are morphs with the Uncanny Valley trait... which you could theoretically get rid of using Bodysculpting at a cost of [Low].

According to the rules, Futuras do not have uncanny valley, but the Lost faction has a social stigma associated with it. That makes sense : being from a stigmatized faction is something that can usually be hidden but has consequences when uncovered. Usually it balances with the fact that people from the faction look down on people hiding their true nature.

I would like to know... how many Lost have been fading in the population ? tens ? hundreds ? thousands ? half a million ? Depending on this they could try to have a network to help each other.

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This issue never quite got resolved, so I'm necroing it, or perhaps I should say rebooting it. ;)

Has the issue of the lost having to hide or be open ever been resolved? And was it ever settled how many lost came out in a functional condition? Hundreds? Thousands?

I was hoping with the number of produs released since then the background had been fleshed out enough to make it clearer what the status of a surviving lost was, and can you hide uncanny vally or your moreph type with a simple cosmetic surgerty job? I'd bet that morph masking was popular, as people in cheap morphs wanted to have theirs made to look like better ones, or jsut better, and plastic surgery ought to be cheap in the EP setting.

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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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If you are a member of the Lost generation, it is publicly 'known' that you are:
1) The result of hypercorp tampering and brainwashing
2) Psychotic
3) Infected with the same virus that turns people into terrible monsters and leaves your brain wide open to TITANs guiding your actions like a marionette
4) Wanted, possibly for a reward
5) Involved with a massacre of thousands of other children
6) A freaky child who is too smart to be fully comfortable
7) Probably a very bad person

A few of those you can step around with enough explanation ('no, I was in the other camp that didn't go mad and kill everyone'). In some more brinker locations, it might even be safe to advertise yourself openly. But anywhere with a large or transient population, I imagine it would be suicide.

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Actually, on this point...

"Infected with the same virus that turns people into terrible monsters and leaves your brain wide open to TITANs guiding your actions like a marionette"

...as well as on some of the others, we'd encourage GMs to decide what fits their campaign best. The nature of Watts-MacLeod in particular is meant to be more a matter of rumor, a macguffin from which to launch plotlines. Asyncs are less interesting if everyone knows exactly what they are and is out to get them.

That said, yeah, asyncs shouldn't go around advertising themselves, especially in places like Mars, where some corp is likely to want to nab them & cut their brain meats up for science.

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acutally, on that point, i think nezumi isnt trying to say that people know about that particular strain and its effects,
but more along the lines of a fear-mongering response that "oh them kids been touched by titan crap, we better space them just to be sure

edit: acutally, rereading your response i guess thats the point you were making to, i think i read it wrong

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jackgraham wrote:

That said, yeah, asyncs shouldn't go around advertising themselves, especially in places like Mars, where some corp is likely to want to nab them & cut their brain meats up for science.

Definitely. In my campaign, Cognite is actively collecting them for a project where... erm... I better be quiet and see if Rob is interested in paying me for it first ;)

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I have two big inspirations for the Lost:

-Toward Terra/Terra E's character Keith Anyan. Without wanting to spoil the story, his background and social stigma is really well depicted. Jack, was that anime an inspiration for EP that slipped off the references guide?

-the videogame trilogy F.E.A.R. is also a very good inspiration for psychotic Lost and the async angle.
check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVXz7SJq-Ik

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If PCs are too happy to work with asyncs (or play them), it might be fun to have an async NPC suddenly erupt with some nasty exsurgent infections - might remind them what they are dealing with. Nothing is more dangerous than feeling familiar with something.

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I'm pretty sure that the Emotional Dampers implant that comes with Futuras will cause an Uncanny Valley effect. What freaks you out more: Something that doesn't move quite right, or something that doesn't respond like a human to emotional stimuli? I'm guessing the squick reflex pops up much more strongly for something that is emotionally void when it shouldn't be.

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Deflare wrote:
In addition to making a Futura morph look non-Futura-like, it's also not impossible for a non-Lost to have picked up an old Futura off of the gray/black market and to parade around in an exceptionally untasteful artifact of post-Fall history.

I reckon the hypercorps working on the Futura Project would have tried to get quite a bit of publicity for it early on, and can't see any reason for them not to sell the morphs to the general public too. The project would probably have seemed like a good idea to many people, so having a Futura morph may well have been very fashionable in some circles. It could even have gone as far as something similar to the "give 1 get 1" scheme from One Laptop Per Child.

That all changed when the project went bad of course, and new Futuras are now very hard to find, but there may still be slightly more old Futura morphs still in circulation than there are Lost egos. I think this is one of those GM decision things.

Tiempo wrote:
Michel Jackson ended having the uncanny valley trait after the surgeries... and all the ¿tryies? to remove it and look more natural, ended in a worst nightmare

There are other examples too, so perhaps attempting to fix this might actually make it worse. I figure no matter how much is spent on cosmetic mods the Uncanny Valley remains. Others may say that multiple applications of Bodysculpting are needed and the cost ends up being [Expensive], or perhaps that [High] will halve the stigma but the rest can't be avoided.
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Since this thread resurrected recent...
I am about to embark into this game from old D&D mindset.

About Uncanny Valley. The TVtropes summary is very good.

I think of the Lost non-physical expression of Uncanny Valley to be similar to my own RL condition of Asperger's and a subsequent head injury.

People just know you are different even when a extensively trained and mild case like myself.
It's my eye contact, my initial reaction and response that are theoretically the biggest "faults".
Followed by my inflections in speech (I wrote in several languages as child but mangle most spoken).
I have physical charisma but I only can make long term friends out of "fringe elements" or the social groups left of center.
Tutored and in perochial school for most of my life I was naive (street smart wise), Asocial and childish in HS even though I gradutated at 16 (I failed one year for illness abscence). I was ambitious and driven and OCD to point of having ironed my socks since age 6.

Not homicidal or even violent personally but I have seen children around me with more serious forms of autism or Asperger's that would "disassemble" toys-appliances....-pets. Not for any anger or wish to destroy it, just no concept on durability or mortality.

The Lost were speed grown and not corrected socially until relative age of? 8? (it states in book late time in development and using worse method possible)
Ever see Lord of the Flies? Or even know THOSE kids...the ones with unresponsive never there parents, that ran rampant in your hood like predators? Unremorseful becuase lack of consequences or discipline?

Even if corrected later, it is likely many strange behaviors are ingrained in the id of the ego past ability of pschosurgery to repair safely.

My 3 cents

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Tamayoke wrote:
I have physical charisma but I only can make long term friends out of "fringe elements" or the social groups left of center.

Yea...That one sounds remarkably familiar. Given that, I guess I shouldn't be shocked that Promethean is my favorite White Wolf game.

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Long time lurker, first time poster. :)

jackgraham wrote:
That said, yeah, asyncs shouldn't go around advertising themselves, especially in places like Mars, where some corp is likely to want to nab them & cut their brain meats up for science.
In an upcoming game, I'm planning to play a Lost character who's been [ahem] headhunted by Stellar Intelligence or Experia for his social engineering/viral marketing abilities. Whether or not whichever hypercorp I eventually decide to have my character work for actually knows about him being a Lost is up to my DM. The character will be doing his best to keep being one of the Lost a secret, though.

I'm playing with the idea of him being befriended and sheltered by a group of Mercurial uplifts and infomorphs right after his release from Futura. I figure that the 'freaks' might stick together. :)

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Has the question been answered on if Lost (and similarly-Uplifts) pay full Futura body price since it is mandantory at character creation?
Or is it like Psi 2 (answered by RobBoyle back in 2008) ....not "FREE" but the 5CP "difference" type of setup?

That aside;
In upcoming game>>>> so far have sheet near complete- my character is Lost; now Brinker.
Her name is Dharma Fossa Sevintoo. 72 was her control number and her second personality demands it be used.
She started out in the Hypercorp machine when the project first disbanded and some subjects were "fixed" and released to some degree. Her employer at the time was extremely well informed and had sowed up with reasonable logical offers so fast she barely had stepped from the Psych Repair Facility.
This lucky event insulated her from many trials others of her kind faced in the first years following the dismantling of the Futura Project.
She worked on Mars for a Fa Jing Bio Division Exec, as personal/ lab assistant and chauffer/pilot traveling to their outer rim mining holdings to use her Psi and skills to solve medical issues and admin issues. While on Mars, she was becoming interested in Gatecrashing and the Argonauts. She's is a manic conspiracy theorist about her conditions and the cause.
Not against Cognite specifically, or holding it at an ultimate responsibility. She believes the virus was introduced purposely. Her other personality differs on motivation. She thinks to make monsters to discredit project, but the specialty morph mutated the virus to milder expression-her personality 2 thinks a faction within the company was Titan agent and it was to make PSI soldiers that could be remotely taken over by Titans. She even thinks the poisoning of Earth wasn't a War of Nations or Titans, but a coporate war with backing by the expansionists and colonists needing influx of population, low labor workers and to be controller of economy.... a plan to make refugees to exploit that worked far too well.
Crazy or crazy like a fox?
Just before a trip to the Trojans... the witch hunts on Futuras and Lost began its condoned public expression. After being identified, she was contacted by both OZMA and FIREWALL...each saying the evil of each other and hypercorp, while trying to woo her trust to come to them. They managed to convince her they were both correct and she fled once out of inner system. Her former employer was used to her exclusive use as what he knew her to be adn was going to station her in an office outsystem. Though understandably grated by her full flight, later contact was safely made and still uses her for specialty business on the sly as she is careful to avoid exposure and he doesn't want treasonous accusations leveled when he is all about the good of the Corp for the Corps own good. Which brings her to the period of the game.
She is now HYPER-Paranoid of contact by either organization being possible and does extreme and bizarre things to prevent detection. Psi told her about both that they wanted control and ownership of her person! at any cost.....
She is paranoid in any situation that a scan could be possible and causer discovery of her location and identity.

She is empathetic towards the Barsoomian plight, Uplifts and AGI. She enjoys the company of uplifts not in Hypercorp employ. She considers her smart rat her only trusted friend. Her secondary personality remembers being at Psiclone. Remembers the riots of children killing children .And the horrific authorative corporeal system that was implemented afterwards to "change" them. It made most worse! She honestly couldn't say if she attacked anyone first or in self defense in the madness. Though she remembers it spilling into her dorm. But she did use the most brutal efficient and quickest methods at her disposal and was one of several covered head to toe in gore, yet happily reading a lesson at her desk in when the event was quelled.
Any musing by her secondary causes monstrous migraines later. She is a smooth and unremorseful liar especially if self preservation is triggered. with addition of Psi she can squeeze out of many situations that her unsettling demeanor may normally be obstacle to.
She has focus of investigating Titans and genetics. She believes the Gates will lead to the Titans eventually.

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I don't think you could openly be a Lost very well anywhere where people know their history. Recall this from the page about the futura project:

Quote:
Post-project analysis now shows that 43.87% of our subjects had engaged in at least one
act of premeditated murder by the 24-month mark (12 years of age) and the counseling
protocols were only training them how to lie more effectively.

If you're looking at a Lost, there's nearly a coin flip's chance that they're a murderer. The only question left is how many people actually know about this.

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Certain groups might be accepting of the Lost. Even as murderers, their psi abilities are a very welcome addition for those who need the ability to read and manipulate other minds. And with psi being such a rare talent, those looking for people with such capabilities are probably willing to overlook someone's past for the benefits of having them as part of their fold. The Ultimates have likely had a number of Lost join their ranks, as have certain other outer system groups. By providing protection to these asyncs, they now have a joined reliance on each other (one for safety from the hypercorporate groups hunting them, the other for having access to psi).

This breeds loyalty.

Tamayoke wrote:
Has the question been answered on if Lost (and similarly-Uplifts) pay full Futura body price since it is mandantory at character creation?
Or is it like Psi 2 (answered by RobBoyle back in 2008) ....not "FREE" but the 5CP "difference" type of setup?

It's a requirement of the background, not a granted attribute. No setup ever gets a free morph (outside perhaps an infomorph, or a very cheap morph with added negative traits). In contrast, had the Lost info said "requires the Psi trait", then the trait would not have been free.

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is it a given that they have multiple personalities?
one of my story character (and possibly reccurent) NPC, Delilah Burnner, has a very keen hunting instinct that is almost like a guide to her, but not an alternate self

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Last I checked no. They just have varied mental disorders.

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Quincey Forder wrote:
is it a given that they have multiple personalities?
one of my story character (and possibly reccurent) NPC, Delilah Burnner, has a very keen hunting instinct that is almost like a guide to her, but not an alternate self

Nope, they are just universally crazy. They all have different disorders. Mine has insomnia, megalomania, and obsessive compulsive disorder. He also has an addiction to sleeping pills (minor; he only uses them to sleep).

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